DEBATE What are your thoughts on Celebrities Defending Islam?

Timothy McVeigh was pissed off about the government's handling of the Branch Davidians in Waco, even though he had no affiliation with that group. He just felt the government reaction was fascist, among other things, and so acted against it. There was no religios subtext for McVeigh's actions. Just domestic terrorism.

 

You didn't even read what I wrote. And in fact, I wasn't addressing you in the first place.
I never made any excuses for Islam or any other religion. Again, you're completely off track.
As an admin, I'm not just another person here. And unlike your future on this forum, your past on other forums is completely irrelevant to me. So don't quote me if you're just going to mix up what I said.

 

I can't fap to this

 

Oh, Jesus

*facepalm*

 

People seem to confuse random shootings with terrorism.
Terrorism- Terrorize people with violence to push your agenda. Your main goal is not to kill people, but spread fear in people's mind so they do not challenge you and follow your rules.

Random shootings at campus etc, and other violence is not Terrorism as these people have no agenda, they are just pissed off about something, or are just crazy.
You must have some ideology to push to be called a terrorist. A terrorist uses violence to push his ideology.
No ideology= No Terrorism.

A Muslim person killing because he wants to spread Islam and destroy the West=Terrorism
A white supremacist killing people to terrify non whites= Terrorism

A person just shooting up people because he hates his life is not terrorism.

A terrorist will not harm you if you follow his ideology. An ISIS member will not harm you if you support ISIS. That is their whole agenda. "Follow us or we will kill you".

A campus shooter will kill you regardless of what you believe. It is not like a campus shooter will not shoot you if you put up a sign saying "I support Campus Shooters"!

 

...about the same as whether I should use red or brown sauce on a sausage sandwich. Freedom to speak is a right of everyone, freedom of belief is a right of everyone - but it's THEIR choice, not necessarily mine.

Celebs can think and believe whatever they want to, they just need to stop trying to cram it down the throats of others.

 

Celebrities speak out about causes all the time, but it's interesting that it only seems to matter when we disagree with them. If they're talking about breast cancer or multiple sclerosis fine, but as soon as it's a left-leaning viewpoint or anti-vaccination people leap out to say "shut up you're just a celeb". Which is true, but it's silly when you think about it. Politicians are allowed to give their opinion on any aspect of society whatsoever, even though typically they are just lawyers by training. They know little about economics, the sciences, health policy or the arts yet no-one says "shut up you're just a politician". Almost no-one can be expert at everything, but when politicians talk about tax policy, interest rates, the basic sciences, vaccination effectiveness, education policy or the prevention of crime it's not like they know any more than most celebs or the rest of us.

So to return to the original question of this thread (and give up the pointless discussion on what the fundamental nature of Islam is) - I don't give a shit if celebrities comment on things. It's their right, same as mine. Yes it's not fair that their views are seen more than mine, but it's also not fair they tend to be very well paid and get preferential entry at clubs, restaurants etc either. I shrug and accept the latter, and the first comes with the last. Celebrity means the same thing the world over - media interest in what you say and do. Why complain about it?

 

Crusades??

 

I haven't read any of the responses but this is my view. Celebrities basically live in the VIP section of life and rarely have to get their hands dirty/actually coming in contact with Muslim immigrants. People tend to more tolerate when it's in someone else yard. Out of sight, out of mind.
I also think a lot of celebrities are simply vapid and that's the topic they're supposed to bring up in a tweet because their key demographics is positively trending towards that view. One week it's Tibet, then Long 2012, then ALS ice bucket, then BLM, etc..

Yes, there is some really intelligent celebrities out there that can back up their views but they're still very well sheltered. It's a bit crazy to imagine your average SJW female (she's had one feminist college class so watch out) even lasting in a place like Saudi Arabia for very long. We tend to gloss over the human/woman's rights issues when we're allies/not wanting to look like some anti-muslim bigot (which we have a lot of in the US). I have no issues with Muslims...I just have a better firsthand overall picture compared to your average celebrity (I have 5-6 years in Middle East/Indonesia...in no way am I saying I'm an expert).

 

I did read what you wrote, which is why I am answering the 3 numbered poosts you made directly. Don't take it personally, I'm attacking your argument, not you. And yes, you are just another person. I treat and speak to everyone exactly the same. My point is that people such as yourself are, unwittingly perhaps, effectively making excuses for Islam by comparing it (and acts done in its name) to other religions. It's not the same. Ideas have consequences when they are believed vehemently, and Islam has not had a 'New Testament' to wash away the barbarity from the Quran and it never will, due to itsw claims to be 'perfect'. That is a major difference.

 

Is that it? What about that mentally challenged young guy who was tortured for being a white Trump supporter by black teens? I know it wasn't the major news it would have been if the races were reveresed, but still. Antifa are constantly causing violence as well. I fear you may have fallen for the media-driven narrative of 'white supremacy violence', which is an utter crock of shit. Even a cursory glance at black on white vs white on black violence will tell you all you need to know.

 

You clearly DIDN'T read his reply..... So long, been nice knowing you.....

 

If people genuniely get banned for daring to talk to the moderator the same as anyone else I'd happily leave of my own accord. How it it 'clear' that I didn't read his post? What do you think I missed?

 

This type of discussion is futile. By now anyone that uses any form of social media should understand that you are almost never going to get someone to change their opinion and agree with you. It's like trying to convince your Mom that she should have had an abortion instead of giving birth to you.

 

Please dont make assumptions on possible action by mods/admins. But in general when there are debates of this type we want too let members chat.

 

To be fair, it would be far from the first time a mod in a forum had banned some idiot for making such a post. Not that I'm for one minute accusing Scribe of being that mod. Odd that I'm being asked not to make assumptions on a person's actions, while another person seems free to argue at will & accuse everyone else of being the ones in the wrong? This can be a very strange forum some days....

 

We havent always been that good at letting debates flow, kelly. Heck i have been to hot sometimes on shutting down debates out of fear they will derail. But members have been vocal they want more of this so we try our best to go with it. If i came across a bit blunt i apologise, kelly.

 

No, you wouldn't call him anything but you called me an idiot and have twice failed to give an explanation why that is.

 

I've had several dealing with Scribe, in open forum & via pm's; & find him a decent enough bloke, for a mod/admin....

I'll take back both 'idiot' claims; apology offered too... okay. Let's just agree to disagree & move on.