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18+

Discussion in 'Celebrity Extra' started by Cy, Jul 5, 2013.

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Should phun go 18/18+ across the board in all things

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  1. change phun policy to all 18/18+

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  2. leave phun 16clothed / 18 nude

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  1. S-type

    S-type Remember to smile! Staff Member ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ 15 Year Member

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    Maj,

    I'm surprised you need to ask, but the reason 16 has been chosen is that phun.org is an international site, and the majority of countries (and US States) have adopted 16 years as the earliest age at which legal consent for sexual activity can be given. Prior to that, sexual activity - even allegedly consensual - is defined as statutary rape if the elder partner is an adult! Quite clearly under such circumstances it would be wrong for us to allow our ostensibly adult members to openly lust after under-16s when the described or implied activities would be illegal!

    But to extend our embargo up to 18 years would simply be irrational by the above standard! Having accepted that 16 years is the age at which consent for sexual activity becomes legal, we can reasonably and legally assume that 16-18 year olds are sexually active! So in the full knowledge of that, we'd be requiring our members not to speak of it, imply it, or make any reference to it - that is, to pretend! This would be unrealistic and surreal!

    Nevertheless we'll be applying appropriate conduct standards and curbing excesses in this area.
     
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  2. Majesty9917

    Majesty9917 To crush your enemies...see them driven before you BANNED ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆ 15 Year Member Meat & Potatoes Guy

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    I understand what you are saying S-Type. I do live in the real world, even though some of my opinions lead some people to think otherwise. Yes, this is a multi national board and yes, it appears that 16 would be the general age of consent if we take up a tally of all ages in all areas and divide it by the amount of areas. There still does, in fact, exist place from which this board can and is accessed from, where 17 and 18 is the age of consent. So in an environment such as this, shouldnt we work from the top down to encompass all of the age of consent limits? At the very least regarding implying anything sexual through comments?

    I understand that I am fighting a losing (or lost, depending on who you ask) cause here, but I cannot help myself. This is my nature. I appreciate you addressing me. I fight on because it doesnt feel right to open a thread of a 16 year old and see sexual comments. It just doesnt.
     
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  3. YourPalJustin

    YourPalJustin All posts by ChatGPT Staff Member SENIOR MODERATOR ★ ★ ★ ★ ☆ 15 Year Member Power Poster

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    I just wanted to reiterate the above. But I also acknowledge the hypocrisy of a serial copyright infringer of barely legal porn getting all moralistic about such things. Honor among thieves, is my motto.
     
  4. J3scribe

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    Not gonna move it again, this is the forum for threads such as this in the Celeb Section. Besides, vixen's thread in CP can accommodate the same converstaion, which in turns it has.

    BTW, once a poll closes it's closed. There's no way for an admin to reopen it.
     
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  5. Majesty9917

    Majesty9917 To crush your enemies...see them driven before you BANNED ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆ 15 Year Member Meat & Potatoes Guy

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    Without the poll the move would be insignificant to me. Far more have voted than typed in an actual opinion. Didnt know that about the polls.
     
  6. S-type

    S-type Remember to smile! Staff Member ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ 15 Year Member

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    Taking the "top-down" approach wouldn't lead you to 18 years, Maj! The "worst-case" scenario that exists in a few countries is "sex before marriage is illegal"! And elsewhere there are legal thresholds of 21 years, or the complication of different approaches for straight and gay couples!

    Thresholds below the age of 16 (as low as 12 or no legal threshold at all!) are not necessarily only to be found in Third World countries or obscure backwaters either - in my own neck of the woods, as close to home as Spain, Germany and France are legal thresholds of 13, 14 and 15 years respectively!

    I recently listened to a BBC radio programme about the results of a scientifically-conducted international survey over the last couple of years, researching attitudes to, and legislation regarding, pornography. It concluded that nowhere were attitudes or legislation evidence-based! Each country's legislation simply correlated with national historical and cultural indicators, and personal attitudes reflected religious, educational and traditional norms - an instinctive "what seems right to them" feeling, but not based on any facts or figures!

    It appears that the age of sexual consent may well fall into a similar category, with no specific figure being scientifically or statistically provable to be "the right one", and chosen thresholds being selected by legislators based on "gut feelings" that vary from country to country.

    Clearly neither of the extremes found around the World would be acceptable or practicable to apply here, so we've opted for the most commonly adopted legal theshold of 16 years.

    Your feelings on this subject are as valid as anybody's, Maj, and I respect that they are deeply felt! You'll realise however that others feel differently, and probably as deeply, and we have the job of steering us through this minefield!
     
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  7. Majesty9917

    Majesty9917 To crush your enemies...see them driven before you BANNED ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆ 15 Year Member Meat & Potatoes Guy

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    Good, detailed post S-Type. I believe you regarding the extremes that exist. In my mind, it just seems so obvious. Apparently, even though I recognize this as being a multi cultural place, I still view thing from a point of view reflective of my little slice of life. Myself and others find the comments and general attitude towards under 18s to be offensive and unnecessary. I suppose that not being able to post under 18s would be viewed as offensive to those that enjoy them. I am as surprised as you that we even have to have this conversation. I have never seen the need to include under 18s at phun. To me it just doesnt fit.

    I now know who some of the creeps are around here and I will stay away from them and the underage girls as best as possible. A shame really. In becoming what one group wants, it completely alienates another group. You may say that if we adopted an 18+ across the board ruling that it may alienate a group here as well. My answer to that is: Dont we all like women 18 and over? This is an adult site right? I would hope that we arent catering to a group that only likes under 18s. So at the end of the day, who would we really alienate with the 18+ rule?
     
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  8. Throbbn

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    I'm not sure why age of consent is being brought up all the time. If age of consent was the key factor, then why do most seem to feel that graphic sexual comments about 16 year olds are vulgar and in bad taste? After all if you can actually have sex with them legally, why can't that be expressed? To me it it is more about young girls being allowed in an adult place. These same girls are not allowed in nightclubs with adults. Having said that, I understand that 16 year olds are allowed here - but no matter what anyone says, they are not fully mature. If you think I'm wrong save a photo of skinny as a rail Jenner now and compare it to when she turns 18.

    Also, I find amusing the sentiment that the loss of a few high school aged pseudo celebs would damage the mighty Phun. Is that what it's come to? My view is that the Celeb forum has been under-moderated for YEARS and has become a bit of a cesspool. Technology keeps advancing, but the quality of posts in Celeb has continued to deteriorate. Why is that? The vast majority of posts are LQ or MQ.

    I keep asking this question but have NEVER gotten a response from any Mods: How popular is Phun now compared to 2 or 3 years ago? Members have answered the question by doing a minute of research on the internet. Phun's popularity continues to wane while other "fora" take its place.

    No doubt the server issue contributed to the decline, but my opinion is that a lack of direction and an anything goes philosophy has rendered the Celeb forum far less attractive than it once was ...

    I also think that it's telling that none of the moderators have much of a background posting Celeb pics ... what we have is many who come from the chat side of the house. Quite telling that it was a priority to clean up the General Forum because "there were too damn many pic threads". I've not seen nearly the effort (until just recently) to rid forum of all these "I want to fuck this 16 y.o." or "I want to fuck her 14 year old sister, she's hot" comments. I'll give Scribe credit for doing his part. The rest of the mods just show up with their justifications as to why the age needs to remain 16.
     
  9. S-type

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    If you'd read my preceding posts, Throbbn, you'd have seen that my reference to age of consent was in response to a specific query by Maj, and your observation about the 16 year olds is not that far removed from my own rebuttal of his proposal to ban all sexually specific or suggestive remarks about all girls up to 18 years old! Apart from which, the 18+ proposal was supported by the age of consent being 18 in some significant places.

    I can only guess that your comment about "damage to the mighty Phun" relates to a much earlier observation of mine that the phun.org Celebrity Section contributed a significant share of our traffic, and consequently made a substantial contribution to cayne's income stream. You might sneer at that, but I was pointing out that a radical change to 18+ across the board would have an impact on the Celeb Section (and therefore phun.org's finances) that was simply unpredictable. cayne might be prepared to take the gamble, but I wasn't prepared to do so on his behalf!

    You're probably right that since Kieks left the Celebs have been a bit neglected, and we're looking at that, but it's possibly because of the march of technology, rather than in spite of it, as demonstrated by the proliferation of camera mobiles and the growth of social media sites, that so many LQ or MQ images abound these days!

    If Phun's popularity compared to 2-3 years ago is so easily obtained "by anyone doing a minute of research on the internet" why would you pester the Mods about it? Do you have some grand scheme to offer?

    And you're quite wrong about it having been a priority to "clean up the GF", it was simply bizarre in my view to have a Celebrity Section with such restrictive posting rules that celebrity-related mega-threads had to be posted elsewhere, and it seemed logical to do something about it and bring all Celebrity content together again.
     
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    are you interested in debating or making progress.

    my view is that the Phun Celeb section has lost much of its appeal because too much crap has been allowed, lax moderation, rogue posters and simple neglect.

    tell my why hasn't the march of technology affected the popularity of the sites that have long since surpassed Phun in popularity.

    the place is being run into the ground and NOW you'er asking me for a grand scheme to fix it? I've been on a soapbox with my concerns forever ... apparently my schemes are not favored by the team. :)

    my point about under 18 is that if a few skinny immature 16 year olds are that critical to Phun volume, them Phun itself is a mere shell of what it once was ....
     
  11. S-type

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    I think we're going to have to bring the curtain down on this, Maj, we're just repeating or paraphrasing ourselves. You've made it clear you'd prefer 18+ throughout, and I respect that.
    However, our policy is what it is, and I've tried to explain why it is what it is!

    It can be summarised as :-

    Nudity permitted for 18+ only

    Images of 16-17 year-old celebs are permitted (but no nudity!)

    NO images permitted of under-16 celebs, NOR of the under-16 children, siblings or friends of 16+ celeb(s), unless they're simply together with, incidental to, and part of a mixed group
    scene that focuses on 16+ celeb(s) (still no nudity!)

    In practice therefore I don't believe you should see any image that might offend you!

    Inappropriate comments are something else, of course, and are something that you know we're working on.
     
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    ^^^^^ don't we know all that? :D
     
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    you guys just like to talk & talk & talk. In the meantime nothing happens. :)

    ... with all due respect! :D
     
  14. Majesty9917

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    Fair enough S-Type. I have no qualms with the first topic of your post. I will do my best to patiently wait for the reds to do what they feel is necessary to cut down on the comments.

    Just to beat the dead horse one more time. 18+ across the board still seems an easy fix to me, in spite of the valid evidence you have presented. I still have yet to hear one compelling reason for having teeny boppers here at phun. I suppose that is what I am continuing for at this point. I know I have pretty much lost, but have no good reason why.
     
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    Majesty9917 To crush your enemies...see them driven before you BANNED ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆ 15 Year Member Meat & Potatoes Guy

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    I get what your saying Tbone. In reality though, this is social forum. Social being a key word. Social begets talking & talking & talking. How long you been here now? Lets concentrate on the real issues. Talking isnt one of them.
     
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