Leechers vs Panhandlers

...or Juvi hates YSI and the video vault.

What is a leecher? Basically somebody who visits the forums and doesn't add anything. This is basically some guy/girl getting his/her pr0n for free and enjoying it. Annoying, and somewhat offensive...but in the end harmless. As much as it sucks for someboyd to view threads without every saying "thx" or adding content, this doesn't hurt anybody. The forums are not altered in any way...just you don't get "thanks" for your effort.

What is a panhandler? Well while panhandle usually applies those those who approach strangers and beg for money or food, in phun it's worse. See, when you post porn for free people want it. Which makes sense, who doesn't want free porn? However, when people start to beg for it it becomes something that becomes hard to ignore. Think of it this way. If you are walking down the street and pass a food bank, it's really not causing you any inconvience. But if you walk down that same street and have to go around 5 people begging for loose change as you try to get to where you want to go...well that is an inconvience.

And in the land of phun, the biggest cause for panhandling is YSI.

Back when I first came to phun, people posted content in one forum. And by people I mostly mean linus. I decided to contribute myself by mostly posting content from light$peed. Even now, I'm all about the Jordan. Back then nobody but linus had ways to post 60 images at once....so that meant I took to uploading maybe 6 pics of a set then a zip file. Yes, not as nice as all the pics in one place...but hey, it was the best I could do.

Now because I used rapideshape, it took a while to download EVERYTHING I posted...but it was there for everybody to see and enjoy...IF THEY WANTED IT. I wasn't bombarding the boards with post that added nothing but a request for a hand out. To help improve the quality of what I was posting (since I was mostly using imagevenue and rapid share) I started to do videos...do a search for Jordan Capri vids and you'll likely see a post by me (as in Jordan Capri - Pussycat costume (RS)). Now at the time RS only let me upload 30mb files....which meant splitting the files....but I had no problem doing so. Since then I've tried BitTorrent files, but that failed. However I tried not to complain too much about the effort I put it. Yeah I liked things to stay on page one...but when there's new content for all, there's only so much complaining to do.

But lately I've stopped uploading as much as did before. Why?

YSI. I'm sorry but YSI posts are just a breading ground for panhnadlers and leechers to clutter up the forums and people's inboxes. Hell, it's gotten so accepted to ENCOURAGE begging, that people are being selective with who gets picture sets now. Seriously, doesn't anybody else see this as an issue? I mean, wasn't linus getting pissy about people posting 5 pics then a zip file...isn't asking people to beg worse? Fuck, it's annoying to post something, get 1,000 views but no replies...what's worse is seeing something you post in the morning be barried on page two that same night because people are desperate for links. Send me the link please!!! I need the link!!! Fuck the people who just want to come and contribute without the BS. Fuck not being able to find any good movies because all the RS threads get hidden by the trolls.

Seriously, with the time it takes to upload to YSI, you could likely split the file, upload on RS and let everyone enjoy. Pr0n for everyone, the way it should be!!! And if you want to be selective that's cool...when do in small amounts or seperately. But the video vault as it is works as well as a redneck President....ie it doesn't work at all.

Some people will say tough shit, or to just deal with it...but the truth is I was OK with people not responding...but the begging is just ridonkulous on many levels.

 

Juvi needs to tone down his ego and stop talking in first person point of view. Now who cares how a person uploads a vid it's there decision to do what they wish. If they choose to use YSI and have people asking for links it's there wish. If they like to deal with the begging let them deal with it. I will step in if they decide the harass members through pm.

I told you not to post opinions like this because it's going to cause rivalry among members. If your pissed at the world don't take your frustrations out on phun. Now if you look around there are 5 other forums you can post in and if you don't like it don't go into a particular forum simple as that.

I personally don't like rs and not about to join a million clips to get 1 decent vid. Now that they give you 24 hour ban for downloading 1 clip because you over used there service I don't bother. Yes and if people would use the search feature they can get all the free vids they want but they are too good for it.

The pic posters were complaining when it was just 1 forum for pics and vids now your complaining there is a vid. Who cares it's a forum don't get pissed off becasue you can't have things how you want it this is Caynes forum and he is being gracious enough to let us use it. When it says Juvi.org then you can run it how you want it.

Also if you don't like things work and you want to start ruckus take it to another forum and you know the one I am talking about with the rest of the complainers.

 

Here's the thing...

I'm not complaing about the video forum being there. Also, I am not trying to start a "gang war" either. Honestly, the fact you feel people can't discuss the forum in any time of civil manner backs up my original heistation to attempt to discuss this seriously. I hope that you, cayne or any of the mods don't truely believe that suggestions/complaints on the product are worthless? And hopefully the members of phun do have the capacity for civil discussion.

Look, all I wants is a place to willingly share videos/pics, without having to keep a list of whose a good poster and who isn't. I want to share videos...not trade them. And on the off chance a video looks interesting, I don't want to have to beg for something that is supposibly being posted on a public forum. YSI has turned the video vault into a tape trading forum, not a forum for people to share videos freely. Really, the YSI it stuff shouldn't be in the video vault...it'd be better off in a "traders" section where people can go to trade pics/vids/passwords or whatever else they want.

At this point I'm going to stop trying to convey my feelings on this matter. Because you'd rather just classify me as somebody trying to cause a ruckous then wanting to share opinion I feel would help the forum be a better place to visit. Next time I have a suggestion that I think will make the forums better I'll skip the posting it and just place it in the circular file for you. Obviously input isn't wanted...even when taken to the "About phun.org" forum.

So in conclusion, my bad...now that I know 100% that my opinion doesn't mean anything because I'm just a member I'll keep my mouth shut.

 

Again unless people want to start donating some cash to Cayne to split up the vid forum into 2, 1 for free vids and for everyone I see this not happening. There was even a suggestion on making it private but then your going to get a big traffic jam on who belongs in the private versus public. Now yes it is a big mess in there and I blame thin on 1 person but I am not going to name names. But people are going to have to suck it up and consider it the bastard forum of phun that people love to hate.

Everyone wants something added to this forum to suite there needs but if Cayne did this it would overload the servers and people might use it for awhile then people will abandon it because they will get tired of it. I used to love the vid forum now I clean up and take off and don't even bother to post anymore.

Don't play the "I am the nobody" card and have people feel sorry for you. It's a forum and your going to either like it or don't like it. I don't like pics so I don't go into the babe or celebrity unless I have to clean it up of spammers.

How long can you really be a member of a forum? I am a active member of 2 others besides this, both about 3 years and they do not deal with any porn or nudity. I figure when I get bored I will move on and who's to say Cayne doesn't want continue with Phun and decide to call it quits. Take it for the good parts and ignore the parts you don't like. It's a forum and you sit behind a comp and post porn, who cares just post and move on. It's nothing to brag about or tell everyone one you know.

All I said was stop making comments on the vid posts to instigate between members.

This is a porn forum and most are going to be the same if not worse.

 

Juvi, it is nice to hear your opinions about YSI and I am practically still a newbie here but will throw in my two cents. Unfortunately, I will not spend the time to break the vid into multiple parts and share them on RS. I'm not saying I won't use it but I don't want to break the vids apart and upload multiple times for the same vid since this is only a recreational hobby I like to do with my girlfriend. In the short time I've been here, most of the regular contributers to the Vault have been nice to me. I won't say I have gotten every vid, especially when I first started, but I feel I have gradually built my "respect" in the Vid Vault. Set the example, show the work and other regulars will reward you IMO. Nothing comes absolutely free on a public forum, especially REAL QUALITY vids. Yes I am sure you can join IRC chats or find other stuff on bitorrent or some other sharing venue for high quality vids. If you do, than great! If not, you're going to have to bear with what Phun has established up to this point. Also, my personal feeling about possible "gang warfare" between posters seems unwarranted. It is supremely lame that anyone would get riled up over this, for Christ's sake, is a person going to get pissed off cause he didn't get his porn?!? If this is the case, that person seriously needs to get into the real world, have some beers and meet some girls. Peace out!

 

All i have to say is that there's a big amount of vids uploaded daily, is just crazy, it's hard to keep up, so basically it's gonna be difficult for anybody to leave empty handed.There's enough porn here for everybody, if you want it you'll find a way to get it.

But back to your original post, i don't think just anybody will go to the trouble of splitting vids and uploading them, it's just too much work for people with limited time,YSI it's the only way to share big files that is reliable, i mean like i said before the internet it's too damn big to focus on one forum you can get porn anywhere else if you know where to look.

I know how you feel about having to "beg" for vids, that's why i don't request as much, i don't like it but what are you gonna do about it?unless you own a forum you can't be completly happy with how it works.

The only thing you can do is sit back and try to enjoy it without worrying too much, it's just porn...

 

He was making a general comment, when a person makes a comment it's not always about you relax damn.

 

OK if you don't request i assume you stopped uploading, if you don't upload you don't use YSI, RS ,QF or MU .

In other words you are not involved on sharing videos anymore, so let me ask you this: why do you worry so much? i thought since you had the time to make a thread and post all this was because you were an active vid vault member, since you are not you are the last person that should be giving an opinion on the subject.

If it doesn't concern or affect you on any way, you why bother to go thru all this?if you hate the video vault don't go there, simple as that...

Prolly i haven't upload as much as you have but i really don't care about replies or views, i'm happy if at least one person enjoyed my post...

Like i said there's enough porn here for everybody...

And you can also look how many requests i made...3 ...two for lack of replies and trying to encourage fellow members and one because i really wanted to see the clip...

 

So if I reply to a comment made to me I need to relax? You are such a wonderfull person Tommy...I wish more people were like you.

My problem isn't with vids I can get Don...it's with videos I share being sunk so fast by others begging. I like the pics but most people beat me to posting what I have. So to contribute I'll gladly upload videos. I just find that all the YSI links make it hard for anything not full out hard core "oh my god five guys in her ass" vids to be noticied.

As for not uplaoding...I'm working on a new site, with about 11 vids. I'm sure people will like them...not too sure if they'll see them though.

 

Now I understand what you want it's not a YSI issues, you want peoples attention tell you what I will make a sticky in the vid vault annouce to the forum you need special attention.

Persoanlly I rather see a whole selection of vids them of one model. I am not about to go on a teen site and watch bull shit vids or look at pictures of girls dancing and touching themselves like every other damn teen site. Besides that shit is for pedophiles and borderline pedophiles. Also all that teen stuff can be found on any forum so why do people want to look at the same crap.

Personally I think you need so much attention you need to attack the forum in your own special way.

Have you noticed most vids are titled ysi, rs, mu, qf ect. It was done for a reason if your a rs person look at the rs posts. Beside you will still complain if we adopted a no ysi and all links posted vids becasue I notice people post alot of rs an mu vids and new stuff gets pushed down becasue of it. Have you ever thought no one wants to look at Jordan vids or a grown woman dressed in a 7 year olds Holloween costume. Your problem is the forum is growing and your not getting the attention you need like the old days, time to realize their are other people contributing on this forum not just you.

Look at michman he post nothing but rs vid like it's going out of style, he don't do it for recognition he does it because he wants to.

 

Wow...just wow. Once again, Tommy chooses to pick the "this guy is an ass route" instead of trying to see my point.

I think it would be easier for people to find what they want, if there wasn't so many YSI post. Not just my post, but everybodies post. I honestly think that people come here to be able to get quality stuff (videos, pics, whatever) without hassle. I know how to use the search function, but anybody on an online forum knows that it's not used as much as it should be.

To me, the YSI post are not quality. They are a breeding ground for BS and leechers that just serve to clutter up the forum. Seeing any YSI with more then 2 pages of replies is dumb. Because otherwise it's just a bunch of people who don't contribute begging, or the person posting the vid hasn't sent out PM's to contributing members. Well I suppose it could be that nobody has had time to close/report the dead post either..but if that's the case you once again have clutter. Clutter = bad. I have no problem is there's 30 videos posted after anything I post...but it's annoying to check on a post to make sure people aren't having problems with the link/check for request to have to go through a bunch of YSI posts. I have no problems with a variety of post spreading a variety of taste. I just don't like clutter and crap.

On another note, it's nice to know what you think of some of phun's most popular contributing members. I wonder what people like Ashleigh, sexyteenSandy, or PrettyKittyKory think about their pictures being for pedophiles and borderline pedophiles. And if that's the case then please be aware that you mod a forum where pedophiles are the norm. Otherwise how else do you explain why NextDoorNiki, Kate, Raven Riley, and other "teen" site being so popular? Maybe it's just that people like looking at girls who look closer to college then they do looking at milfs?

 

I like em both

 

Umm... two points.

One, I've been here long enough to know that Tommy doesn't choose the "this guy is an ass route" when it isn't deserved at least a little bit.

and Two, this thread needs more Carriage Returns.

 

I'd have to agree there. i think trixie teen is hot. teen topange ain't all that, but Why the fuck do they have to have a fucking retainer and act like little girls!? That is definately catering to pedos. I think they would be a lot better if they fucking grew up and dropped the kiddie shit. :2cent:

 

I propose juvi set up a free service where we can upload up to 5 gigs per file and have unlimited downloads.

My point is, if you are going to bring up a problem, bring to the table a real viable solution as well.

And screw off for saying YSI posts are not quality, overall it has been a good thing with the a few leechers/lurkers asking for vids before they contribute

 

Tommy, I would never try to debate you. You have a set view of your opinion and are so far away from mine that we both won't see the middle ground. It's eventually going to be us saying stupid stuff...actually it all ready is.

Oh and Tommy. I'd seriously like to know how Jordan Capri or the other Lightspeed girls are closer to the sites you listed Tommy then the phun member's sites I listed. I'm not saying there aren't examples out there, just I don't think Lightspeed is any more for the Wacko Jacko's then what the girls I listed are.

As for a viable solution....well fuck, I do remember me trying to get people to use bit torrent which is 100% better then YSI for larger files but nobody was willing to use it.

Anyways...to conclude all my thoughts:

-YSI turns leechers into panhandlers

-Panhandlers clutter the forum

-I hate clutter

-I hate when post get bumped by clutter...if it's good stuff, then yeah! But if it's clutter...fuck that.

-I like discusion on improvement/everybody else wants to live as is

-We all need to mellow out.

 

Well I have been checking the posts in the vid vault as far back as 5 pages now there are YSI posts that have 0 - 3 replies buried so it don't really matter what host it is. Now with megaupload overtaking rs and ysi I really want to stop that site because of the crappy dl speed. So it is crapped up really there is no solution to either stop posting vid all together or closing the forum and then there will be unhappy members. Now the only temp solution I see is what members are doing is bumping there post which I see nothing wrong with. I just feel your just wasting your effort on something that is really no big deal.

Now talking about lightspeed, members like diddy, ashleigh, ann angel, ect. Now personally I do not like the underasge look or any sites that have names that have the word "teen" in the tiltle. Because it caters to pedophiles and in some members it effects them in negative ways by telling people it's ok to see children in sexual ways. Now granted the models are over the age of 18 required by law and but they are promoting the innocent child like look. I bet if you took a census of these sites most of the members are over the age of 35.

The sites I am taliking about are kates play ground, teen topanga, teen trixie, and a few others I can't name right now becauss there are so many. Look how the sites are presented and look at the content of the site. Your not seeing what I am talking about.

Then you come to some of the members of the site ashleigh, anne, ect. I really don't see the same content the other sites promotes. But then again I don't go to many sites like that either because it don't suite me.

 

Tommy...the solution is bit torrent. If keep a seed up for 2-3 days that should be enough to let anybody who wants the large file get it. and download speeds increase with the more people trying to download the file.

But I've basically decided to just post vids with pics in the babes forum...that way the people who want the vid don't have to look too far and I don't have to go through the clutter of the vid forum.

 

I have tried it a few times and personally I don't like it and the problem is trying to get people to switch over to it.

Now the only solution I can offer on that idea because there is no way a new forum will be created for it is if enough people are willing to share torrent files I will make a sticky on top for torrent only since not everyone will use it. That way it would be just for people who want to to use it and that way you don't have to search for it.

 

I use emporium for all my bittorrent porn needs. I wish i could share those. Instead i try and share the stuff i get off of the site on, none other than YSI. sorry, but no way in hell am i going to split big vids onto RS, just so the leechers and lurkers can get them. the system is fine.