INFO FAO: UK Based Members regarding Deep Fakes

good luck with that.
"horrific" seems a bit strong, but hey, it's a .gov.
The discussion here on phun will be more interesting to me than the absurdity of thinking any .gov policy will stop the internet from nudey images/videos.
I would think getting a handle on your populace marrying marine animals would be a bit more important, but hey(again), Taylor Swift. (pshaw, like I'd even bother, meh, tastes vary).
Will discussion be here? or in the AI? thread.

 

I think that the laws should be in place but it won't do anything to stop it. Not sure it's horrific either, but I do see the potential damage these things can do. Someone making a fake video of Taylor Swift isn't going to cause much damage but in the coming years there will be a point where people can deepfake anyone so well that it will be almost impossible to determine whether or not it is real of fake. That sort of thing in a small town could cause serious damage to a person who has been deepfaked to make it look like they are doing porn when they are not. I can fully see that people might end up taking their own lives due to the sadistic nature of people.

I also find it tragically funny that once again only women are included in the protection part of this. My local council is currently advertising a campaign to stop violence against women. Nothing at all when it comes to men. The numbers are half that of what women deal with but that might as well be zero for all anyone gives a shit. Same with things like this.

 

I don't think that the offence is the main issue right now but credibility. Take a young girl from a rurual town whose population have very little awareness of technology and the abilities of even a standard PC nowadays. Have a "revenge porn" style video made of her that is completely fake. Nobody believe her, friends, family, work, school and so on. Her life is a disaster due to malice. The more she tries to declare it isn't her, the more people refusde to believe her.
That could and most likely will ruin and probably cause the end of someones life.

I think these laws are not going to stop people doing anything but I do think they are a good thing and should be in place. People need some form of protection.

And even on a non-sexual note, I have seen half a dozen AI generated fake business pages on instagram with Elon Musk and others trying to sell absolute nonsense. It's not about what a court can decide but what the puclic believes. We live in a time where people's opinions are literally shaped by a headline they noticed on their preffered tabloid that morning. Nobody uses critical thinking and witch hunts are everywhere. I saw a channel this morning declaring that Prince Andrew is a sex offender. He might well be and it does look that way but it just shows that public opinion is far, far stronger to the masses than any sort of reasoning or evidence. When the Guilford four were released from prison after being for to be innocent, my father was angry and swore that they did it. When I asked him how he could possibly know that he got angry and just said "they did it." People, sad to say, are not smart.

 

I once worked with a guy (he was 20) who, after the referendum on Scottish independance told me that he voted against it. I voted for, so I asked him why he voted the way he did. He had literally no answer. He went red and was embarrassed. When I said that I wasn't asking to argue but that I really wanted to know he finally told me that "honestly, I don't understand any of it". I told him that is the problem. He and others can vote with no education or rational thinking. When I suggested that he might have voted to stay in the UK due to him being a Glasgow Rangers fan (typically supporting the UK, monarchy, Union Jack etc...) and being caught up in what his friends and family were doing, he said that it was.

Just another reason why I think that democracy doesn't exist and voting is useless

 

And what is the legality when it comes to the site? Is this a UK based site? What if someone from the UK breaks the law and then posts here using a method to disguise their location. Is this board safe or can it be held accountable in any way?

I don't even know where this board is hosted or what laws it come sunder or whether a users local laws trump the sites local laws. Probably best to let the entire board know of this just to keep the place safe. I'm actually fine with banning fakes and deepfakes all over the board.

 

Dont worry, the .gov's are trying to bring up some form of "net neutrality" again, because hollywood is losing $$$ due to unlawful streaming sites. Since they will have AI to hunt down every single complaint over and over and auto-dmca based on nothing it wont matter. + with the global war situtation building, global internet will be dead (execpt approved advertising of course) in probably 10 years. (national security of course).

The REAL AI fakes will be produced by hollywood (just like they are now, only better). Are the .gov's coming after nude forums like phun?

3-5 years.

By then it may not matter, the content now is so , meh, and the population falls every year, it may not matter. (Not a knock on phun, just media reality, 2024 is a long way down from 2005 in exciting celeb stuff).

 

Part ofthe problem is that phun has been "sanitised". Any conversation that brings up ideas that people feel stronly about was quashed and distanced years ago. We can't even really talk in threads anymore. I remember you used to be able to chat and threads could take on a life of their own, but now if you steer away from a generic compliment then you will be told to stay on topic. Considering that this is a message board, it really affected the place. It's a quite and timid version of what it used to be and even the known faces and characters are mostly quiet now.

But on topic, I agree. This law is not going to be able to be enforced properly and we will most likely just see a handful of people made example of so that it can be leaked to the tabloids and whoever is in charge can claim they are fighting the fight.

 

Eh, the www as a whole is way different than it was 10-15 years ago, and unrecognizable from 1995.
The way it's going, all these little web boards will be gone, replaced by .corp scum in another 5 years and only state.sec stuff will exist, carefully AI monitored for content/text to comply with the message. Then it will be dark net with encryption as long as it lasts.
15 years ago, you would never have said googly/facebork/&co would ever rule the net.
They certainly do today.

 

follow up: https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/09/openai_model_nsfw/

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

AI porn/whatever is here already, no reason to miss out on the $$$

 

I have a question about this that I think we really need to address. I just looked in the thread "AI celebrity generated porn is here". It looks like there are two main types of this: the first is using existing images to then merge a celebrity with a nude image, the second is a completely generated image that is built from scratch.

The issue is that the generated images can not able to be "age verified" but can very easily give the appearance of the actor when they were much younger and sometimes resemble actual times of their lives. This is due to the Large Language Models used to create the image simply using what it can find in archives and applying it, but, it can also be strongly manipulated by the user in their prompts. Typing "celebrity name", "desired state" is easy enough, but with the software on a private device they could easily add the words "young" or simply type in a movie/show or time when they were obviously UA.

There is no way outside of personal judgement to say whether or not you think that this represents the actor at an age where they are UA. So I think we need some sort of rule here so as to protect the board and the reputation of the people who visit here (yes, a porn/smut board technically but not one where anyone wants to see anything illegal).

I was on Planetsuzy and noticed that a user was pasting UA faces of someone onto porn images. They were posted in bulk. I reported them and the user and nothing was done aside from remove the images. I bookmarked the user and checked again and sure enough they had done it again. After I reported them again the user is currently still a member. This is how these things seem into a place. I knwo that the slippery slope argument has flaws and merits but to keep this place safe and specifically, to make sure that shit doesn't actually become a thing then maybe have a talk and ruling on it.
@S-type @Taipan @Merlin @Cy @Big Bamboo! @cayne @spiderswims

 

I suppose I could ask Larry, or Dawn and Suzy. I know they are down on moderators over there right now. As a guess, it's some idiot pasting Emma Watson's face on some ridiculous porn star body. People have been doing fakes like that face on a body stuff for years it doesn't need AI.
I cannot see the entire generative llm situation doing anything but getting much much worse. I'm starting to see group photos that have to be generative AI. Things like Rita Hayworth in Sophia Loren in the same photograph at the same age. The Rita image seems to be from Gilda, while the Sophia image seems to be from the early '60s. And there's a third woman with them. It's not reasonable. But if you hadn't been looking at pictures for 40 years of these women you might believe it. Well it's an interesting fantasy The photo had been posted as real. I have no idea how that situation is going to be dealt with on an ongoing basis. I don't even know if it's possible.

 

I agree with both of you. It's not a question with a simple answer. But these images do not like the face are representing someone of legal age. The faces look like the faces of kids.

 

not sure why i was tagged but I'll just say I dont understand why anyone likes this fake AI or even old school photo shopping celeb stuff unless its for joking reasons and even then its gotta be above age of course. By joking reasons I mean photo shopping a dick in a hand when someone is eating a ice cream cone kinda shit .

 

Reposting was needed in order to demonstrate it exists here.

This is the entire point. With Ai there is no actual way to determine what is and isn't UA because it is a false image and yet can be interpreted as being one way or another. You can't prove an AI image is over 18. We already have very dodgy looking images posted here and nothing done about it. Even after the examples I referred to were deleted there are still some that are absolutely visually representative of people who are underage. That is uncomfortable at best and also worrying.

You've said that is it disgusting and the people responsible are dispicable so why not make efforts to remove it from the site entirely or have it on an approval basis only.

I sure as hell don't want to be associated with anything like that and I am assuming that everyone wants it as far away from here as possible.