A Future Split of Models

I know that phun has really only recently gone through its massive overhaul, but just noticing in the Model section that there has been a recent explosion of amatuer material.

Now this is only a suggestion and i pretty much believe it would be alot of work, but a future split of the model section to have the Amatuers have there own like how the Celebrities do.

Sancho and DI already are pretty much the royals of Amatuer posting and it may help in moderating what Amatuer posts are put up if they are seperated into there own thread.

Again just a suggestion, but thanks for reading in on this.

 

I have actually been thinking of the excact same suggestion actually biz.

 

Well anyone who has something to say, just blurt it out.

If people are thinking about it both for and against it should be said. Things like this could only be good for the site to help improve on what is already awesome.

 

Well, if you look at it this way, I think doing this makes perfect sense...

Obviously the Model Forum should be for MODELS...not amateur posts, or anything else
the Celebrity Forum is for CELEBS, nothing else
the Movie Forum is for MOVIES, nothing else

It only makes sense to create an Amateur Forum for Amateurs, nothing else

 

I think that makes a hell of a lot of sense ... great idea guys, that could really clear up some of the congestion in the model forum as of late. Good luck!

 

well... my very personal :2cent: ...

Apart from having thought about that too already...

Would this help to raise the level again?

Phun has become little bit too much a testing-ground for wannabe-webmodels and -pornstars recently... and regarding the replies in their threads it´s working for them.

Thanks to all the "real" webmodels showing up every now and then, btw.

Some already pm´ed me all these "thinking about doing porn"-threads ought to be moved into the general forum...

Phun never had problems with both "amateur" and "professional" content in one forum, but in my eyes it has some problems with decreased class of posts as deserved recently.

We have rules - why do so many (apart from those who are intend to ignore them for personal purpose) don´t even bother to read them?

Is a thread with two unsharp mobile-phone-camera-pics a really thread?

As i said - my :2cent:

thanks, Biz - might be a good way to start some discussions

 

I agree with you River, that there are WAY too many peeps who either don't follow the posting rules or don't read them at all.

Is there any way to prevent them from posting until they have read the official rules? I don't know much about developing websites & etc, but it would seem like there would be a way to make the site recognize if they have read the rules or not, and if not, transfer them to the rules page so they can read it.

As for the subject of being a "testing ground" for new models, I wouldn't disagree with that statement. However, I do think that is a feature that makes the site unique. I think it is a positive thing, not negative.

And when you said that Phun never had problems with both amateur and professional contenet in one forum, I agree with that also. But, by adding an amateur forum in addition to the model forum, I think that may keep it that way, and prevent it from happening in the future. I think it's getting pretty congested already.

 

Yeah i think another problem that i have seen but i think you mods have cleaned it up is multiple posts with only a couple of pics.

I think you could end up having one standard thread for mini previews, regardless of content if its less than say 5-7 pics it ends up in that thread. This then could apply to really to the Model, (Future Amatuer), and Celebrity forum.

 

That's actually another good idea there Biz. I like that idea.

 

as for the rules: don´t think there is a way to allow posting only after reading the rules... even microsoft isn´t able to force you to ready the complete license-agreement before installing software from redmond...

posts against the rules are quite easy to handle, that´s our job, thanks for all your help in the forum-issue-thread!

have in mind: t´s not only amateur-content posted in threads disregarding rules...


getting late, need some 4 hours of sleep - will check back tomorrow and looking forward to any additions (DI? EC?... )
(sorry for hijacking, biz)

 

Here are my thoughts on this matter.

I feel that if amateur content is seperated from the model forum then there will be an actual decrease in the quality in amateur content. Also there would be an extreamly hard time searching that forum.

My primary concern is that the large threads like pornstaros "beach babe thread," mine, Sanchos, and others alike would all no longer be important and would not get the attention and the views that they get now. Basically I like the idea of the friendly competition between the major thread amateur posters, I like the idea of people who subscribe to my threads you know. I feel that if an amateur section was created then alot of stuff would be lost in the shuffle.

Personally I like the way phun is right now, I just think that the really shitty posts that detatch away from some of the really good content need to addressed and taken care of and it seems like the mods are doing a really good job about it.

 

I dont think it would detract from the number of viewers. I reckon it would end up making searching for certain threads alot easier. Also if say DI and Sancho were to be given mod status and since you guys already put together some awesome amatuer threads. I say sticky your big ones. Since you guys are the fore runners why not have you threads at the top all the time.

 

I thought of this idea a long time ago, but assumed this was being talked about already amongst the mods. I can't stand all this little threads in the model forum "My hot girl""Girl wiping ass" etc. It chokes up the forum and makes it so hard to search with those types of titles. Now I know most amatuers don't have names, that is why i am backing a seperate forum for the amatuer stuff. The way it is set up now, it hides all the hard work of posters like the slayer, river, brcook,etc. Their threads featuring real good content gets shoved to the bottom by these amatuer threads. I don't want to see them go entirely, i like looking at them too. I just want them out of the way. And just an extra idea, but maybe some of the bigger amatuer threads, I.E. Sancho's, Dirty's, Pornstar's, can be grandfathered in to the model forum, or be made permenant stickys in the "new" amatuer forum if its made. Thats my two cents....

 

Pros and Cons obviously for both.

I don't know where I stand on this actually. I do like many of the amateur threads; however, DI and Slayer and others that post their amateur material know just as well as anyone that others are leeching much of their material and reposting it in new threads. All the amateur threads make it increasingly difficult to navigate the forum. That being said, if the posters of the amateur material just added it to the existing amateur threads or didn't create a new thread for EVERY SINGLE amateur out there, it would also make it easier.

The cons......Many of our Web Models enjoy posting on the forum they way it is because they don't necessarily get lumped into the professional porn-model stereotype. If we were to separate the forums I worry that many of our regular models (CWH Girls, and such) may not be as anxious to post right along side only the likes of Aria, Jenna, Valentina, etc.... (Not that they are any less beautiful), but if the forums are separated, where do they post? Amateur? Model? Who maked that distinction? I think it's easier for the girls to just have one place (other that video forum) to post the pics they want to post.

Thats just my :2cent:

 

I never thought of it from teh web models perspective, and your right they would be very apprehensive to post if there threads are posted with the more 'hardcore' as to say. I know the idea is also to keep the system as friendly and simple as possible, to end up having threads for every single type of topic, but the influx of amatuer has caused the Model forum to look cluttered.

So then what is the problem then:

> Amatuers needing a seperate section
> A tweak of the posting rules to include a minimum post number, otherwise post it in a generic compliatoin thread (as i mentioned in an earlier reply)
> To many noobs getting around the rules, if so are mods the answer?
> Go the other way and have a glamour Thread for the more 'up market' posts (eg, BodyinMind, Herge, MetArt etc).
> Or is this just a phase the forum is going through and are we just getting ahead of ourselves here.

 

Well i'd just like to thank you all for even thinking of new ways to try and improve the forum. The mods and admin here is still limited in our scope and different viewpoints are always welcome. After all this forum is mainly meant for all of you to enjoy.

Now hopefully since cayne seldom ever comments on such threads i can answer this for him. Cayne is a simple guy. Originally this forum just had 1 forum and it was the general forum. Everything under the sun was posted in that single forum. It wasn't until a couple months and when we grew to about 4,000 members did we actually made 3 forums and that is general babes, about phun. Cayne has been very reluctant to add new forums simply because it tends to complicate things. That's his perspective as far as i can see it.

Now for my viewpoints on this. It isn't a bad idea to create an amateur forum, one consisting of mainly girls we do not know the name to or girls that do not have a site yet. but the drawback to this is:
1) How would we teach people how to differentiate between the two forums?
2) the atmosphere of having a "busy" forum with many different threads showing up every time you check it out makes the visitors more likely to check back often so he won't miss out on new content
3) I think it is healthy for amateurs to be posted in forums with webmodels simply because they can all compare themselves with what their peers are doing.

In conclusion although i wouldn't mind having a new sub forum for amateurs until we can get the bugs fixed out or the model forums gets way to many threads started i'd like to see it the way it is.

Now as far as what TheRiver brought up i will discuss his issues with the other fellow mods as soon as i can put some thought together on it.

 

Just to make it clear...

regardless of (my) personal taste:
there are quality amateur-threads and lame amateur-threads.
there are quality pro-threads and lame pro-threads.
there are amateur-threads breaking the rules.
there are pro-threads breaking the rules.

Seen a lot of well done threads beyond my personal taste and trashed a lot of threads with content i enjoyed.

What i miss is the lack of effort in thread-creating in a growing ammount of threads and a lack of paying respect to the effort put in phun-appropriate thread-creating.

Never thought about phun having a "competition" between amateur and pro - content, btw.

Solution? Like GWB says... discuss

Back to the original topic:

- think about the enormous work to divide the existing threads
- think about the discussions where to post what... f.e. ATK-premium-sets... is Sophie Moon an amateur?

 

Let it be know that I still stand against the creation of another forum. Sadly what will happen is that people will still post amateur material in the Model forum based on their own thoughts. This would thus end up adding even more work for the moderators to do. I think that it would just be easier to moniter the posted amateur material in the Model Forum and maybe even set up rules about how to post... like no 1000+ random amateur threads and stuff like that.

Mainly I know that some of the members suggesting this have not been here since the Big Shock and I know that when something about phun is changed it results in alot of people leaving the community. My biggest fear is this. If there is an "amateur" forum created then my big threads which I have put so much work into will be essentially forgoten about, they would not recive as much attention and as many views. There essentially would be no need for them anymore since there would be an entire section for that type of content.

I also feel that the quality of the content would go down. As an example of this go look at http://inXperienced.com which essentially is an all amateur site but really has not alot of quality content and hardly any memebers viewing. Why is this? Becuase amateur content is kinda like chapstick at the drugstore counter you dont realize that you need it until you see it. Essentially I really like the exposure in the Model Forum and how everyone gets to see it. If they were seperated then the Phun community would be segmented you know. These are my thoughts.