DEBATE What are your thoughts on Celebrities Defending Islam?

The wackos who shoot up and bomb healthcare clinics that offer abortion services are often vociferously Christian.

I don't think religion itself is dangerous (mostly), but it does offer those who wish to be violent a good way to rationalize their actions. And then having the media and politicians refer those assholes as religious extremists and terrorists just gives them validation. I've often wondered how those so-called extremists would react if they were characterized in the media in an unquestionably unflattering light. Like, psychotic sand monkeys, or lunatic assholes, or shit-for-brains murders. Or a timeless classic, crazy motherfuckers. It's unfortunate that Carlin's 7 words are still taboo in the popular media, because they sure would come in handy. They could say, that guy isn't a religious extremist, he's a ridiculous, baby-killing fucktard. Because let's face it, terrorists don't kill in the name of god, they kill out of pure insanity. You can take away peoples' power when you take away their pride of purpose.

 

Or stop releasing their names. Worth a try.

 

At least until after they've been martyred and had their corpses properly violated by hungry pics. On video.

 

Actually, I wonder if instead of showing their picture, they just showed some random pig above their name, it would dissuade them. Or just call them all Porky Pig? Something to humiliate them instead of iconocize them.

 

That's what I've been thinking for years. During WWII, Hollywood turned Hitler into a buffoon and laughingstock. Of course, that was before all the really nasty shit was revealed, but by that point the damage was done. It's hard to sway public opinion when public opinion thinks you're stupid piece of shit. Maybe the war on terror should be fought more with psy-ops than with bullets and bombs.

 

So it is dangerous, then. Any ideology can be dangerous, and one which people genuinely believe to be holy even more so. Which is why the warlord-led Islam is more dangerous than the hippie-led Christianity. You speak as if it's 1% of Muslims who have extremist views. This is wrong, by any number of counts. People talk about 'extremist Islam' but Islam is itself is extremist. The text is extremist. And, unlike Christianity, it claims to be the perfect and final word of God. These differences have consequences, and we are seeing them every day.

 

When you compare "warlord-led Islam" to "hippie-led Christianity," you're comparing apples to pears. For every Abu Qatada there is a Jerry Falwell. I'd like to see your sources that state the percentage of Muslims considered "extremist." The Quran, despite your assertion, is no more extremist than the bible. Add to that that there are plenty of Christians who claim the bible is the "perfect and final word of God," Joel Osteen and his congregation and Ken Hamm and the AiG clowns being among them and your argument fails to hold water.

 

there's nothing wrong with the religion its the priest that tell lies to their people.

 

Weren't you one of the people who went to pains to point out to me that Mao was the vilest motherfucker in human history? Nothing he did was religiously motivated (nor Stalin, come to that), so by your own admission, whether or not one is holy is not what determines to what extent how vile someone can be. It's a determining factor, of course (where it's not just being used as an excuse), but even the holiest of monsters can be capable of great empathy. There are countless factors that determine how fucknuts any individual can act. Even hippies have been known to grow militant in their views.

100% of the Muslims I know personally are cool people without any desire to harm anyone else regardless of belief, whether they reside in the USA, Pakistan or elsewhere. I have no notion how many Muslims harbor extremist views, so for you to infer that I have a percentage in mind is puzzling.

 

To be clear, I admit that holy killing machines are awful, but they're not any more awful than any other murderous assholes to be found in society.

 

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Thoughtful discourse over religion...so much more entertaining and incendiary than politics....unless you mix the two.

 

While you're right that there's probably as many nutso Christians as there are nutso Muslims, the difference is that nutso Christians generally don't have the power or influence to get away with shit like putting their wives in bags, or mandating male supervision for a woman to go outside, or putting homosexuals in concentration camps.

The only difference is that Christianity has long since intersected with humanism and secularism and had its influence vastly reduced. Once that happens with Islam, the same will be true for it, as well.

 

I didnt say they don't exist. Of course anti-facists exist; they're the only sane people left in this country. What I said is that if you're at the point where you're so far down the alt-right toxic rabbit shit hole that being against Facists and would-be dictators is considered an insult, then you are beyond help.

 

Sane? Seriously, you think book-burning is sane?

You think it's sane to curtail speech through violence? Really? You really, genuinely believe that?

And I didn't say "anti-fascists." I said Antifa, the organization that, you know, riots at college campuses to shut down speech they disagree with, and burns comic books because of storylines they disagree with.

You seriously can't see that they're the only real fascists in the equation? Trump may be a scumbag, but he's not a fascist. He's not burning books or shutting down speakers through violence. I don't care how right-wing your opponents are, if you advocate those measures, you are the fascist.

 

No, being anti-fascist does not make you a fascist.
Being anti-hate does not make you the real hate-monger.
Being stridently against the glorification of Nazis and believing Nazis should not have a platform to promote their hate-fueled idealogy, does not in fact make you "the REAL Nazi."

No matter how many mental gymnastics you perform to try to convince others, or yourself, that any of that makes sense, it does not.

 

Are you serious? You're exemplifying what I say, to a tee. Falwell was an idiot and a fraud, but nobody was killing people in his name. You really want to compare a buffoon to a terrorist leader? The Quran is no more extreme than the Old Testament, no. But hardly anyone lives by the Old Testament any more. Those who claim the bibkle is the final word of God are obviously not very smart as Jesus is supposed to return. As I said, only the idiots who still go by the OT, like the twats you mention, would say such a thing. The Quran being the perfect word of God is a central tenet in Islam - all believers have to believe it, not a few crackpots. Again, I am an atheist and this is all nonense as far as I'm concerned, but I do get rather tired of this bending over backwards to try and equate Islam to Christianity.

 

Yes, and bad ideology, as I said earlier, is what leads to wicked actions. You don't have to be religious, but rreligion certainly helps conviction. Mao did not kill people in the name of non-belief, and that is the key difference.

100% of the Muslims I know are cool, too. So what? If you want a notion of how many do then I can help, if you're genuinely intesrested?

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

 

Antifa ARE the fascists. I can only assume you know nothing about them. I can see from your subsequent post, in which you didn't actually address anything the other guy said, that you are lacking any knowledge of you what you are talking about.

 

As expected, your response doesn't even address what I said, and consists entirely of platitudinous strawmen, likely plagiarized from some obscure regressive blog. But, okay. You clearly don't have the intellectual capital to engage in a substantive discussion on the topic, and that's fine. I'm feeling generous, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just like anyone else who supports Antifa -- young, sheltered, and uneducated.

So, for your edification...

You aren't fighting (I say that loosely; it's unlikely that you've ever left the computer chair to do battle) Nazis or fascists. Trump is a typical conservative. He's an idiot, and he's corrupt, but he's neither trying to take over the country nor is he saluting Hitler in his private time. Ann Coulture, whom your BFF's chased out of Berkeley, is neither a Nazi nor a fascist. She's fairly far to the right, but she doesn't advocate the murdering of immigrants or the internment of gays in concentration camps.

When you act like fascists, your intentions don't matter. Burning books, shutting down speakers with violence...these are fascistic tactics, and far, far worse than anything done by the people you call "Nazis." You talk about spreading hate, but that's all you and your ilk does. Tolerance isn't a one-way street.

So yes, Antifa are the real Nazis. They're the only ones using violence. They're the only ones censoring ideas.