DEBATE What are your thoughts on Celebrities Defending Islam?

I'm sick and tired of hearing people complain when celebrities voice their opinions. We ALL can express our opinions. It doesn't matter how you earn a living, and to dismiss celebrities as "paid clowns" does not make for a compellling argument. Sad!

 

But I just voiced my opinion, which you instantly slammed. I don't appreciate their opinions, just because they can. Typically their opinions are preached, not just voiced, and anyone who disagrees with that opinion is simply not as enlightened as they are.
I didn't voice my opinion for you to call it sad. It was MY OPINION, you seem to have one that differs from mine, yet I respect yours without calling it sad.

 

Yep, you voiced your opinion, I voiced mine, and anyone else can do so.

"Preached" is subjective. I think many may interpret a celeb's statement as preaching because they generate a lot of press, and our statements are only visible in the World of Phun. And you also baselessly assert that celebs feel others are not as enlightened as they themselves are.

 

yeah, I'd like to put this shit to bed, you voiced your opinion after I voiced mine. there we go. baseless assertions? google what Hollywood has to say about those of us who do not agree with their opinions. Have a good day Dude

 

That is over simplification. From a religious point of view you are actually judged on every action you take from maturity until the day you die (Heaven and Hell have layers). The choice is yours and the game isn't rigged, but don't complain if you made the wrong choices.
As for belief in God, it is yet another choice you have to make in life.. arguments are placed in front of you and if you decide that it isn't for you then to each his own, but don't complain when religious people mention hell because at the end of the day you built your stance on a solid foundation from your point of view so what difference does it make to you if religious people believe that you will be resurrected after death and will be judged and if you don't believe in God then you will go to hell.. It is their stance that they built on what they believe to be a solid foundation of evidence.

Tiresome relativism .. I know, but to each his own.. myself included

 

Personally, I'm fine with it. I think all religions are BS anyway and just a way to both divide people as well as control them, it's just a bit shitty that due to a minority of idiots blowing themselves up and such, we suddenly have people acting weird about Islam and those who follow it peacefully.

 

Yes, the 'choice' is mine. The choice appears to be do as I say or you will be tortured forever. I think I would sooner choose the devil, he can't be as evil.

As for belief - it's called 'faith' for a reason. That reason is there's no evidence. That's literally what faith relates to, and it never ceases to amuse me that many religious people see unquestioning credulity as a virtue.

 

It's a minority, but that minority doesn't come from nowehere and for no reason. The religion of Islam, itself, is an extremist one. Anyone who has ever studied the Quran must know this. The Prophet Mohammed was a fucking warlord, for goodness sake. What do you expect?

 

Again, you're only even looking at white cultures. Another poster pointed out that Mao dwarfed both Hitler and Stalin's numbers, and that's just an example from the same era. I'm also baffled at where you get the 30 million number; the short answer is that it's not even remotely true. Meanwhile, Mao was responsible for something like 65 million deaths. You don't care about the butchering of homosexuals basically anywhere in the non-Western world, or what that Rodrigo Duterte monster is doing to the Philippines right now. The mass murdering of white farmers in South Africa by black racists doesn't even register, clearly.

You live in the West, so your education is Western. You don't hear (or seemingly care) about the murders committed by brown folks throughout history. Presumably that would interfere with the white guilt. It doesn't matter that the American Indians, for example, were constantly at war with each other, and every scrap of land they stood on was conquered rather than divinely bequeathed. Speaking of divinity, how many Israelis and Palestinians have died over that little slice of earth in Gaza? Doesn't matter, apparently. Doesn't count. White men are the devil.

 

1. Point taken, though I was not unaware that he purposely allowed millions of people to starve as a means of population control. I learned that in grade school.
2. As a new member, you may want to not be a smartass towards mods here at phun if you wish to become an old member.
3. I never said Muslims were a race.

 

OK Alexis, all people are bad. And no, I don't care who's getting killed and murdered by who, unless they happen to be someone I know. Getting murdered that is. Stop quoting me.

 

I mean, this is true but Christianity is the same. Thousands of Muslims killed during the Crusades, just because Christian leaders decided that Islam was against "their" god.

What it is, is people using history to declare themselves as a persecuted people and then blaming that on their bullshit when they claim they're "standing up against the oppressors of our ancestors". It's like the minority of bloodthirsty African Americans who wanted to kill white people and cops, purely because "we've been treated badly for years and our ancestors were slaves" while the majority just went "Hold on, I thought we were past all this? Sit down, you fucking animals, we don't want more violence".

Same with white supremacists blaming non-whites for all the issues they've experienced. It's all basic cowardice and excuse after excuse as to why they need to justify their blatant racism, xenophobia and desire to hurt others while using religion/race as their reasoning so as not to acknowledge that the blame actually resides with them and not with those they attack.

"Red pill" idiots are the same, blaming women for their own shitty attitudes because they're afraid of realizing that the fault lies within themselves.

 

Young religions can be violent. The Israelites exterminated entire peoples on "gods" orders. Catholics have had extremely violent periods both in the Middle East and in Europe. More recently Israel blows up lots of stuff, they just use tanks and war planes, the Zionists weren't shy about killing before the formation of Israel. On the Catholic side there is Oklahoma City, abortion clinic bombings and shootings and a recent spate of shootings following the election.

 

1. He wasn't unaware of what he was doing. You don't need to pull the trigger to be responsible.
2. I may be a 'new member' here but I am an old hand in forums in general. You are just another person as far as I am concerned, and I don't care how long you've been here.
3. You never said they were a race but you did bring up 'white people'more than once when defending (makming excuses for) Islam. Ergo, you made it about race.

 

Where to start with this? It isn't a young religion, for one. Israel is a country, not a religion. And I'm not aware of them killing anywhere near as many people as Islamic terrorism does, if you want to make that comparison. The abortion bombings and the Oklahoma one (did he do that in the name of Catholicism?) really pale into absolutely nothing when compared to the 30,000+ acts of Islamic terrorism within the last 15 years and counting. I mean you really are clutching at straws. The shootings following the election must have passed me by, but I'm pretty sure most of the violence has come from those opposed to Trump.

 

No, Christianity is NOT the same. It's prophet is a hippie and pacifist, not a warlord. Can't you see what a difference this makes? And I say this as someone who thinks all religions are as wrong as each other.

White supremacists are dickheads, but they don't have a shared religious ideology. They don't get their 72 virgins for killing innocent people. Again, it's someone comparing 'white' with a religion. Why? Why the hell does any criticism of Islam always end up with the apoologist for islam bringing 'white racism' into it? Go and check the black on white vs white on black violent crime statistics - that shows you where the real racism lies these days.

Oh and I'm from the UK by the way, where we had a case of 1200 girls under 15 RAPED by Muslim gangs and they were ignored for over a decade because the police admitted they didn't want to be seen as 'racist'. A girl of 11 had the letter 'M' branded on her ass to signify she was the property of Mohammed. This is still happening - they see white girls as 'sluts' and easy meat, and we let it happen. That's because of attitudes like yours. That's where it ends up.

 

Don't forget Xenu dropping the nuclear weapons into the volcanos.

 

Can't stop me! Ha ha!

 

Mmkay. I guess we''ll ignore the minor uncomfortable details about why the Crusades actually happened shall we? That whole part of history when two-thirds of the Christian world was being conquered and enslaved by Islamic armies in a 400 year or so period from the late 600s is so unimportant. Do you think the likes of Syria, Egypt and Palestine have always been Islamic nations?

Was religion an issue? Sure, to a degree. But that was mostly down to Islamic beliefs being imposed by threat of death. Convert or die, or pay treasure or die. Was it a 'Holy War' in the name of religion? No. The Crusades were simply about halting the tide of Islamic expansionism in the west, NOT because Muslims were dedicated to "their" god. The same land they had largely peacefully lived alongside each other for hundreds of years. Muslims weren't killed because they were a different religion, they died because there was a war, or series of wars and people die.

And the Islamic world doesn't even really give a shit about the Crusades, it did little in shaping their world and there wasn't even an Arabic written history of the Crusades until 1899. Islamic nations have only had the arse with them since the birth of Israel and Jews regaining land they (Islam) had conquered by force more than once. The majority of people who care are the ones who have been mis-taught history with a not so subtle tinge of revisionist white guilt.

 

Israel, isn't blowing stuff up in the name of religion though. They take a lot of incoming from bordering countries who are bit pissed off that the UN granted them land rights in a region that Arab armies had taken from them multiple times over 800 years before. Israel is entitled to defend it's borders and citizens, as is any sovereign nation, even with overwhelming firepower. And you're right, Zionist organisations had no qualms about killing to get what they wanted, but neither did Guevara and Castro.

If you are referring to the OK City bombing in '95, I have absolutely no clue as to why seeing as there was no religious motivation whatsoever. McVeigh was brought up Roman Catholic so ergo, religious extremist?

As far as abortion clinic bombings, not all who disagree with abortion are Catholic. Army of God for instance are a Christian terrorist organisation. Now i'm not saying there aren't Catholic extremists who blow up clinics, but Catholic organisations are just a small minority in a very long list of anti abortion groups in the US. Abortion isn't as much a religious issue as a moral one. I'm an aetheist and I consider myself more pro-life than pro-choice. Statistically speaking I would figure you would have more non-religious extremists committing acts of violence, rather than those doing it in the name of religion given most think even murdering a 'murderer' is a sin.