DEBATE What are your thoughts on Celebrities Defending Islam?

As long as you folks don't start flaming and trolling each other, this thread is welcome to go the distance.

 

Im an agnostic, but i was born in a muslim family. my father and mother are muslims.
However, after a certian age, i decided its better to base my life and visions on "science", and not fictional stories:

- Moses, who split the sea.
- Jesus, who walk on water and raise the dead.
- Muhammad, who Split the moon.

Also remember, there is no **scientific facts** to prove that Moses or Jesus were actualy exist! Muhammad on the other hand, lived in an era that we have a lot of written text books about it, we know who are his descendants (in 2017), and also we know where his grave is.

As an agnostic who was born in a muslim family, and raised in a muslim country, its my two cents:

- they teach us in school that Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad, are from the same bloodline.

- if you read Quran, you clearly see that most of its text is about Moses! about his stories and how good he was.

- Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Virgin Mary are all haighly prised in islamic culture. its actually a "Rule" that you "Must" respect these guys; if not, your not a muslim! "Maryam" (Mary in Arabic) is the second most popular female name in all islamic territories (after "Fatimah", Muhammad's doughter).

- Yes, you should "Do" and "believe" in *every single word* in Quran. But in reality, most muslims dont care. My father is a muslim but he drinks a shot of vodka with his dinner for the past 50 years!
- Zeyneddin Zeydan
- Muhammad Ali
- Ice Cube
- Shaquille O'Neal
- Akon
- Snoop Dogg
- Dr Oz
- Bella & Gigi Hadid
...these are just a few muslims that you may know. do you think they do everything that Quran is telling them? noooooo... why? because we are living in 2017, and not in the game of thrones series!

- ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, these are not muslims; they are animals! Killers. heartless murderers. sure, they claim that they are muslims; but i also can claim that im the president of united states, that doesnt mean what i claim is actually true. these groups are responsible for killing more muslims that anybody else. they are not just a danger to west, they are also a great danger toward islamics countries too. almost in all islamics countries (including Iran), the punishment of people who participate in any of these groups, is Death Penalty!

So yeah, in 1.6 billion Muslims in the world (23% of the global population), there sure are some crazy people. but if you exclude those, other muslims are not really that much different from jews or christians. all 3 of them have their wired rules.

Now you may have hear some stories about people who live under very strict rules in islamic countries. sadly, most of those stories are true! but those strict rules are not because of islam, its mostly because of the ruthless dictators (which most of them are US allies!) who run islamic countries. if you have a liberal goverment, islam doesnt have any problem with that. take Dubai or Turkey as an example. they are muslims, but no one is going to take you to prison if you wear a thong bikini in public.

To me, all 3 of these religions are the same. i respect people who follow any of these religions; but i predict that in the future, most people are going to accept "science" as the true blueprint for thier life style.

 

Excellent first post.

There are non-biblical accounts of Jesus, he was a real person. His miracles, however, are straight out of Greek mythology.

 

First, thanks

...hmm, i was not aware of that; i need to read more about it. religions have vast amount of subjects to follow. most of us just describe our personal knowledge and experiences...

 

Well to answer the thread title, Why are celebrities defending Islam, the answer is they want to sell their movies in the Islamic countries. There are 1.6 billion muslims and they want to appear as the white knight who defends them so they are more popular among the muslims and in muslim countries and in doing all these, make more money.

 

Both of these countries have blasphemy laws and severely punish people who brake them. You cannot be a "liberal" government if you have blasphemy laws. There is no liberal muslim country. All of them have laws based on religious laws even turkey and UAE. A truly liberal country like the nordic countries have no laws based on any religion.

 

Bruh Sweden and Denmark both have blasphemy laws, and Norway had one until recently. There are still states in the US that have blasphemy laws on the books, and we didn't start taking them out until the 20th century.

The term "liberal" is a bit muddy anyway. What you want is a "secular" country, and the one example in the Arab world was Turkey, though that is now no longer the case. Technically they are secular, but not in practice anymore, and soon it won't even be technically. It isn't even a democracy anymore.

Iran before the Islamic Revolution was also way better off. They were still Muslim but women could wear pants and style their hair instead of walking around in potato sacks.

 

yes, thats true. by liberal, i meant "more liberal than you may think", base on the horror images they show everyday on western TV...
They sure are not like Sweden or Norway. and they are not really considered a "free" country.

 

Have you ever heard of anybody being jailed for speaking against Christianity or Jesus Chris in the West?
Try doing that in any Muslim country. Lets see how many days you survive.

 

Pretty sure someone's in trouble in Ireland for exactly that right now, but I'm not even saying Christianity and Islam are the same. I just schooled another poster by explaining exactly how they AREN'T the same. I'm just point out to you that having blasphemy laws isn't exactly the measure of liberalism. You dismissed Turkey -- a secular country prior to this latest jackass taking power -- as liberal simply because they have blasphemy laws. Well so does fucking Massachusetts. That's my point.

 

Vote or die

 

Can you link us to your thesis? Is it available online? Just curious.

 

let's be honest both of the pictures have the exact same message gun= they are ready fight for their freedom, flag= patriotism towards they respected country/culture/group/whatever and bible/quran(dunno if that's how it's writen) /religios book= faith towards their respected god or magical leprechaun or what ever.

And for those who say that the girl on right kills sivilians, I'd remind you that the amount of westerners middle eastern terrorist groups have killed over the years including 9/11 is a lot, but so is the amount of civilians US has killed in the middle east, when they hit their targets and more so when they miss and bomb a hospital by accident realiase a small statement and bury it to the ground by many other statements, is up there pretty dam close even.

Also if american's would even bother to read their own history book, they would probably know about this thing that happened between them and brits and more so the background behind it. Comparing it to middle eastern situation and they are much the same, if you just flip the coin.

 

Nope you are trolling. Wikipedia can be editted by anyone so save your bs for stormfront .

 

So more biased bs...

 

Actually you have it wrong, none of those people you listed there, from Zeydan to Bella hadid are muslims in the truest sense. The Quran says one that follows the word of God completely with 100% commitment is the truest and revered mullah in the Islamic community. Going by that definition actually Isis, AL-Qaeda and Taliban are the truest muslims. You may not like to hear it but that is the truth. They are following the book literally to the word as instructed by their God via their prophet. Those people you mentioned and the "muslims" residing in the first world nations, the so called "moderate muslims", are not considered true followers and that's why they are targeted by the Islamic hardliners. The butcher of Kabul, Gulbuddin hekmatyar who killed thousands of american and Afghan soldiers using landmines and suicide bombs in Afghanistan, once notably said this - "There is no such thing as a moderate muslim in Islam, there are only modernized people who still claim to follow Islam."

Islamic nations may not outright support jihadis groups but the people are in overwhelming support of the same policies and principles Isis follows, in particular the Sharia Law. As per pew research, 72% of muslims globally support Sharia Law.



And More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims want Sharia implemented in US.

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy...uslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

Listen to this..

I don't really believe it has to do with money tbh. Its more to do with the liberal agenda that mainstream media is shoving onto everyone and manipulating people in general.

Besides, the actors are not paid more for bigger profit anyway unless you're a really top name like Tom Cruise. Actor salaries are typically fixed regardless of the success of the movie, from what I understand.

 

Ever heard of the IRA?

 

It's common for famous people to oppose bigotry.

 

I live in London and remember the troubles. It wasn't really a religious thing - there was nothing in the bible which supports what was effectively a land dispute. In any case, we are talking about now, not history. I speak as an atheist who thinks all the main religions are as untrue as each other. But you can't just ignore the fact that Jesus is portrayed as something of a hippie, where as Mohammed was a warlord, paedophile and terrorist. These things make a difference, and it needs to be noticed.

Then you have to take into account that the original bible was reworked and has been continually modernised. That's because, unlike the Quran, it doesn't claim to be the perfect, unalterable word of God. This is why Islam is so resistent to change. There was a poll not so long ago of 1,000 Muslims in the UK, and 0% said homosexuality was an acceptable lifestyle. 0%. Let that sink in. Also, criticism of Islam is not 'bigotry'. If celebritues oppose bigotry then why would they defend Islam? It's the most bigoted ideology there is, as demonstarted by that poll result I posted. I kind of get the feeling you don't know much about it.

 

Well... about true Muslims... Do you think there are any true Christians in the world? There's a lot in the New Testament about loving thy neighbour as thyself, turning the other cheek, not pointing out the speck in another man's eye when you have a plank in your own eye, that a rich man cannot enter the kingdom of heaven, and so on. It's probably fair to say that a true Christian would follow these, as Jesus commanded. How many true Christians are there?

Yes well, I don't think that's a very revealing quote - the hardliners of every cause ever made always think the moderates aren't doing things properly I don't know why you'd base a "true Muslim" definition on what a hardliner says. We're basically in the same territory as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman arguments here.

I think these are definitely interesting. It would be interesting to further break this down by age group, immigration status (and age immigrated) etc. From the second link, I saw this:

It's not clear from this how the question was phrased. Did it actually ask whether the US constitution should be displaced by shariah law? It's odd that the first sentence simply says 51% think Muslims should have the choice to be governed by sharia, but the second sentence suddenly mentions the constitution and says that 86% didn't want it displaced. I can't tell if these are really answers to the same question, or whether the site is maybe re-phrasing the poll result a little more strongly by mentioning the Constitution.