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If that magic baby was real, he'd horrified at the atrocities carried out in his name.

 

Exactly.

Very religious people are some of the most unhappy, most deceitful, most gullible people I know. The least religious they are, the better people they are in my experience. The more they try to push it, the least they actually believe it... etc.

Why?

Because the basis of religion is coersion and ignorance, not cooperation and knowledge/wisdom.

Might be a repost, but it's worth it

We miss you George

 

If it's a repost then we should make a rule to repost it every month.

I've used a paraphrased version of this while arguing with christians plenty of times and there answer is usually the same. "You don't understand the scripture". To which i tell them that scripture is literal to them when they need it and the opposite when they need it to be.

Then they reply that scripture is that way because god wrote it with so many layers,as is his genius. And then the argument continues

 

I also like the saying "If god was real, he's an asshole and I don't like him, let alone am I going follow him and his empty promises"

I like the idea of simply laughing at people when they try to convince me about religion. Is that rude? Yeah, it probably is, but no more rude then them trying to convince me of an invisible magic man that is always watching me - which is very creepy. (Ex. dude I am changing, frak off)

Someone was talking about "god" the other day and I started giggling, the more they talked, the louder I laughed. They didn't talk that long...

I reality, I think that most (if not all) people KNOW god is fake, but it's a comfortable lie so they do not want to confront the inevitability of death. Yeah death can be a scary thing, but knowing it?s natural and it happens to everyone, it?s not like you are the only one dying and everyone else lives forever... oh wait, that?s religious BS again lol.

 

I actually believe in a god, a supreme that more than likely created the universe but i don't believe in the christian, jewish, islamic or any other god.

I don't think it's any less far fetched to propose that the universe began through a supreme being as to a possible accident. But i definitely don't regard the traditional notion of "god" as real.

 

The notion of god and how another person relates "its" existence to me is, at its best, vague. This "god" people speak of seems to be the easy way out for these people who do not have the information to adequately discuss/prove something. It's easier for most to say it's magic then to think about how it all happened, I suppose. Someone could look at a car and it?s engine and all that, and just think, ?Well I know this car is real, but I don?t know how it was put together... I believe it was put together with magic/god and I will fight anyone who says otherwise!? To me it is just as irrational as believing god created the ?heaven and the earth?. I resent when people come over to another?s house, and ?give thanks? to god for ?his bounty?, when it was the host that; organized the event, provided the space to eat in comfort, bought the food, cooked and served the food, and washed the dishes. Where the hell was god in all that? Behind the scenes? No way. I thank my HOST for the food, etc.

Changes happen over massive amounts of time and some things change a little, other things change a lot. Why does it even have to have a beginning! If a person can believe that god has infinite power, then they can just as easily believe that the Universe is infinite! The Universe has its own movement, it's own rhythm and rules that it follows, we just can?t truly comprehend the Universe?s complexities with our partially evolved monkey brains The idea that the Universe is an "accident" is ludicrous, it's not like someone threw some paint at a wall and it turned into a Da Vinci!

I know there was some asshole a few years back that painted a few blobs and lines on a big canvas and another asshole paid millions for it. They are both idiots. The painter is not an artist, and the buyer is not a connoisseur. If that's all it takes to be either title, then what purpose does having any kind of distinction between anyone really achieve?

I remember after a short religious conversation a girl a few years back (after being absolutely shocked that I do not believe in god) said "Then what do you believe in?" I said "Myself" she said "how can you do that?!, that?s impossible?!?" I said "Easy, I am my own god. Do you think you can prove to me that your god exists and mine does not?"

She walked away in with a horrified look on her face... either she thought I was a monster, or I broke her brain... maybe I even shattered her simplistic paradigm and forced her to think outside her safe little cushioned box of ignorant belief.

 

A woman murders her own son and then kills herself to send him to heaven and then her to hell. If religious tyranny wasn't enforced through fear and lies this kid might still be alive, along with millions of others.

Video contains no violence.

 

A muslim man prays in front of the white house (obviously praying for lives of others, it is clear that he is not praying for provocation) whilst christians accost him showing intolerance, bigotry a basic lack of consideration and compassion for their fellow man. Christian love and tolerance at it's best. The muslim man behaves like a gentleman the entire time.

One actually says "what kind of god tells you to kill people because they don't believe in your god" i guess he, like the vast majority of christians has never actually read the bible.

 

would you say your post below represents love, tolerance, consideration and compassion for your fellow man?

with statements like that, you're basically doing the same thing as those "christians" in the video only you're hiding behind your computer.

do you have a p.h.d. in hypocrisy or are you just bipolar?

showing a vid of christian fanatics and then assuming all christians behave that way is no different than accusing all muslims of being terrorists

wake the fuck up, you're part of the problem

 

Go away bugman. If you aren't going to contribute in a genuine sense and not just post ad hominem ruses to get me to bite then i have no desire to respond.

I won't be drawn into another of your personal attack and flame wars. IF you really want to talk about these topics then, despite our history i would be more than welcome to engage you and share ideas and concepts.

 

you're afraid of a simple yes/no question regarding one of your posts? i guess if you feel attacked by your own words, it means you can't back them up. just like when you falsely accused pilgrimpopper of supporting pedophiles. whoever this bugman is you're accusing me of being must have fucked with your head bigtime.

you should ask to retitle this "the thread for paranoia, baseless accusations and question avoidance" if you want it to be accurate

at least it's in the correct section

 

I have seen many christians do similar things as the video above, but most are just as insidious. Guilt, lies and blatant ignorance are not acceptable either. It's just like them to tell us what we "should" be doing, like we are too stupid to figure it out for ourselves. I choose not to suffer, so I do not accept or use the word "should"

Bible thumpers love to point out the errors of other people while never taking responsibility for their own actions or practicing what they preech. The fanatics in the video are extremists, yet they show how polarlized religion and their followers can be.

 

I had a christian friend of mine (actually he's my oldest friend, we've known each other for 35 years i suppose) and he chastised me for tarring all christians with the same brush after i sent him that video and text.

I apologised to him personally but continued the point. One of those christians asks who can believe in a god who asks people to murder those who don't believe in him. This is clearly stated in the bible as an order appointed by god along with many, many other appointments to murder in gods name by god. So if he was a christian then he would have to obey those laws. Stand by the bible and you have to stand by ALL of the bible.

 

Sadly, extreme views exist in many beliefs. We frequently hear about muslim extremists on the news, but we don't hear about muslims like the gent in the video, simply praying for peace, or fellow man/woman. I'm sure the christians in that video have forgotten about Waco, and other cults and extremists.
I have no respect for organized religion, but I do respect the right of people to choose what to believe (or to choose to be brainwashed into believing). Christians would have us all believe the same thing, they would have us all follow the same belief system. That, to me, sounds like slavery, not freedom.
We are all individuals, we are all born with the power to think for ourselves, and to decide for ourselves what we want to believe. How many of us actually use that power? How many simply accept what they are told, because it is easier and safer to not think for themselves?
A free and open mind has empowered me with knowledge. I may not agree with everyone, I may disagree with their ideas or beliefs, but the more I learn of different opinions, beliefs and ideas, the better able I am to make an informed decision about what beliefs are right for me. I'm still learning, still adapting and changing my ideas and philosophy as my mind grows and my knowledge increases.
I've reached the point now where the mention of a superior being sitting up in heaven causes an uncontrolled outburst of laughter. I know I should have more respect for the views of the religiously inclined, but I just can't help myself. Maybe I need to give up my atheist beliefs, and accept the truth of the bible, join all the other drones.....
Some of my family have ditched god in favour of spiritual beliefs (something I am quite open-minded about). They have suggested a coming age of enlightenment, where some of us will reach a higher plane of existence. I wonder if this 'higher plane' is simply the end of organized religion, and the acceptance of science, logic and facts over supernatural belief systems. Bring it on, I say.

 

good for him, you deserved to be chastised. i find it interesting that he told you the exact same thing i did but my response was labeled by you as disingenuous whereas his was deserving of an apology. it's no wonder that your friends rarely talk to you. i'll bet it was one of those "i'm sorry you felt offended by what i said" apologies rather than a real one acknowledging that you were wrong.

you're just as guilty of pushing your interpretation of the bible on others as the christians in that video. who the fuck are you to tell me how i should interpret the bible? if some parts have more relevance to me than other parts, who the fuck are you to deny me that interpretation? i've never seen anyone so full of themselves as you.

christian extremists want you to believe a literal translation of a verse taken out of context one day and then argue that the bible is an ancient translated parable, not to be taken literally, the next day. you do the exact same thing as long as it serves your anti-Christian, anti-religion agenda. starting with a biased agenda is one sure way to guarantee that you're misinterpreting it.

my bible says "thou shalt not kill." it doesn't get much clearer. if yours says that god told you that it's ok for you in today's world to murder others in his name, then it's probably for the best that you don't believe in it.

 

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Pesky fucking Bugs should be fucking swatted/shot on Sight...

 

Deuteronomy 17:12
Exodus 22:17
Leviticus 20:13
Exodus 21:15
Leviticus 20:9
Leviticus 20:10
Leviticus 21:9
Deuteronomy 13:13-19
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
Deuteronomy 17:2-5
Leviticus 24:10-16
Deuteronomy 13:1-5
Numbers 1:48-51
Exodus 31:12-15
2 Kings 2:23-24
Hosea 9:11-16
Isaiah 13:15-18

I could go on. But i know that you aren't here to discuss, only to provoke. Because i ignore your emails you are frustrated at not being able to enforce a rise from me and have been forced to return to phun to try and argue with my over any topic. It was easy to find what username you were because you did nothing other than attack me at every opportunity, even though we had never spoken before you ranted like we were old enemies.

Spec, everyone knows it's you. Either take part in the discussion like an adult or go away.

 

if all of those verses are telling you that god wants you to kill in his name, then like i said, it's probably best that you don't believe.

hurling a bunch of bible verses at someone is your idea of a response? i'll bet you cut and pasted them from atheist.org or theevilbible.com right? you just make my point for me - there's not much seperating you from the christians in that video.

and i can guarantee you this, i've never once emailed you. i don't know what this person did to you but he's got you hoodwinked pretty good.